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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Sorry -- need clarification: what's the referent of 'it' here?<BR>
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Large n stuff is offputting? or the way you teach it? (no insult intended)<BR>
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Dvora<BR>
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Subject: Re: [Interpretationandmethods] Interpretationandmethods Digest,Vol 43, Issue 1<BR>
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Can't resist:<BR>
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When I do this sort of thing I like the large-n stats person to go <BR>
first, or I teach the large-n stuff first, because so many people find <BR>
it off-putting and difficult to square with their intuitions about <BR>
things. Then they're primed for the funkier stuff I'll introduce later <BR>
on ;-)<BR>
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PTJ<BR>
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On Jul 11, 2008, at 7:18 PM, psshea@csbs.utah.edu wrote:<BR>
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> Patrick will not post again :) but I do have a response. Yes, I agree<BR>
> that "prospecting" is dualist.<BR>
><BR>
> I kind of liked being first in the sense that I "set the agenda" for<BR>
> the students and they did not "come to me" with a prior sense that<BR>
> ONLY variables-based quantitative research could be scientific. I<BR>
> think they were then more "critical" of the next very traditional <BR>
> prof.<BR>
><BR>
> Peri<BR>
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> Quoting Patrick Thaddeus Jackson <patrickthaddeusjackson@gmail.com>:<BR>
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>> On Jul 11, 2008, at 3:41 PM, psshea@csbs.utah.edu wrote:<BR>
>><BR>
>>> Whether that metaphor is apt can be debated, but it can help<BR>
>>> variables-researchers (PTJ - does that get me around the<BR>
>>> realist/positivist labels?) to get some sense of why not everything<BR>
>>> can (or should) be spelled out in interpretive/relational research<BR>
>>> proposals.<BR>
>><BR>
>><BR>
>> It does, but of course "prospecting" is still dualist: digging around<BR>
>> for something that is presumably already out there, hidden beneath <BR>
>> the<BR>
>> ground, just waiting for us to stumble upon it.<BR>
>><BR>
>> It's too bad that your course is doing "qualitative"/interpretive<BR>
>> first and "quantitative"/large-n second. That format allows the <BR>
>> second<BR>
>> half of the course to turn to the first half and say "thanks for<BR>
>> providing us with the raw data, we'll take it from here." Very David<BR>
>> Laitin-esque faux methodological diversity, where everyone gets to<BR>
>> play as long as they all play the same game in the end.<BR>
>><BR>
>> Okay, this is seriously the last thing I am going to post on the list<BR>
>> for a couple of weeks. I mean it.<BR>
>><BR>
>> PTJ<BR>
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